The Muslim Brotherhood Project
August 1, 2007 (Updated 6.29.11)Prior to leaving Islam (I left Wahabi Sunni Islam in 2002, a few months after 9-11) I was told about this by my former imam and I have had it confirmed by numerous other Muslims. The "the Project" exists and is being implimented. The Muslim Brotherhood Project as revelaed in the following document fits perfectly with what I was told and with what we see happening in the US and around the world now. I was told in 2000 that the end result of this plan will be that "within 100 years public schools in the US will close for Ramadan and your children will come to the masjid for Friday prayers." The plan is real, although it does not appear it will take 100 years to impliment. The US now even has a non-citizen al Ikhwan operative sitting in the White House. If you do not wish to live under Sharia law it is imperative that you support Israel and demand that the US to withdraw all of its troops from all Muslim lands immediately and prepare for the coming revolution within our own borders (update: US soldiers under Sheik Hussein Obama are now on the ground in Libya and elsewhere fighting shoulder to shoulder with al Ikhwan "holy warriors" and the White House is seeking Israel's destruction).
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The Muslim Brotherhood “Project”
By Patrick Poole
FrontPageMagazineOne might be led to think that if international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies had discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of “cultural invasion” and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades, that such news would scream from headlines published on the front pages and above the fold of the New York Times, Washington Post, London Times, Le Monde, Bild, and La Repubblica.
If that’s what you might think, you would be wrong.
In fact, such a document was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, two months after the horror of 9/11. Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project”, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l’Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists’ Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as “a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.”
Now FrontPage readers will be the first to be able to read the complete English translation of The Project.
What Western intelligence authorities know about The Project begins with the raid of a luxurious villa in Campione, Switzerland on November 7, 2001. The target of the raid was Youssef Nada, director of the Al-Taqwa Bank of Lugano, who has had active association with the Muslim Brotherhood for more than 50 years and who admitted to being one of the organization’s international leaders. The Muslim Brotherhood, regarded as the oldest and one of the most important Islamist movements in the world, was founded by Hasan al-Banna in 1928 and dedicated to the credo, “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”
The raid was conducted by Swiss law enforcement at the request of the White House in the initial crackdown on terrorist finances in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. US and Swiss investigators had been looking at Al-Taqwa’s involvement in money laundering and funding a wide range of Islamic terrorist groups, including Al-Qaeda, HAMAS (the Palestinian affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood), the Algerian GIA, and the Tunisian Ennahdah.
Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by “Islamic researchers” associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.
What makes The Project so different from the standard “Death of America! Death to Israel!” and “Establish the global caliphate!” Islamist rhetoric is that it represents a flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the “cultural invasion” of the West. Calling for the utilization of various tactics, ranging from immigration, infiltration, surveillance, propaganda, protest, deception, political legitimacy and terrorism, The Project has served for more than two decades as the Muslim Brotherhood “master plan”. As can be seen in a number of examples throughout Europe – including the political recognition of parallel Islamist government organizations in Sweden, the recent “cartoon” jihad in Denmark, the Parisian car-burning intifada last November, and the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London – the plan outlined in The Project has been overwhelmingly successful.
Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Project:
- Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
- Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;
- Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;
- Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
- Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
- Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
- Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
- Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;
- Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
- Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;
- Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;
- Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
- Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
- Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
- Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;
- Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;
- Instituting alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;
- Creating autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;
- Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West “in a jihad frame of mind”;
- Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
- Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims;
- Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;
- Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;
- Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine;
- Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;
- Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;
In reading The Project, it should be kept in mind that it was drafted in 1982 when current tensions and terrorist activities in the Middle East were still very nascent. In many respects, The Project is extremely prescient for outlining the bulk of Islamist action, whether by “moderate” Islamist organizations or outright terror groups, over the past two decades.
At present, most of what is publicly known about The Project is the result of Sylvain Besson’s investigative work, including his book and a related article published last October in the Swiss daily, Le Temps, L’islamisme à la conquête du monde (Islamism and the Conquest of the World), profiling his book, which is only available in a French-language edition. At least one Egyptian newspaper, Al-Mussawar, published the entire Arabic text of The Project last November.
In the English-language press, the attention paid to Besson’s revelation of The Project has been almost non-existent. The only mention found in a mainstream media publication in the US has been as a secondary item in an article in the Weekly Standard (February 20, 2006) by Olivier Guitta, The Cartoon Jihad. The most extensive commentary on The Project has been by an American researcher and journalist living in London, Scott Burgess, who has posted his analysis of the document on his blog, The Daily Ablution. Along with his commentary, an English translation of the French text of The Project was serialized in December (Parts I, II, III, IV, V, Conclusion). The complete English translation prepared by Mr. Burgess is presented in its entirety here with his permission.
The lack of public discussion about The Project notwithstanding, the document and the plan it outlines has been the subject of considerable discussion amongst the Western intelligence agencies. One US counterterrorism official who spoke with Besson about The Project, and who is cited in Guitta’s Weekly Standard article, is current White House terrorism czar, Juan Zarate. Calling The Project a Muslim Brotherhood master plan for “spreading their political ideology,” Zarate expressed concerns to Besson because “the Muslim Brotherhood is a group that worries us not because it deals with philosophical or ideological ideas but because it defends the use of violence against civilians.”
One renowned international scholar of Islamist movements who also spoke with Besson, Reuven Paz, talked about The Project in its historical context:
The Project was part of the charter of the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was official established on July 29, 1982. It reflects a vast plan which was revived in the 1960s, with the immigration of Brotherhood intellectuals, principally Syrian and Egyptians, into Europe.
As Paz notes, The Project was drafted by the Muslim Brotherhood as part of its rechartering process in 1982, a time that marks an upswing in its organizational expansion internationally, as well as a turning point in the alternating periods of repression and toleration by the Egyptian government. In 1952, the organization played a critical support role to the Free Officers Movement led by Gamal Abdul Nasser, which overthrew King Faruq, but quickly fell out of favor with the new revolutionary regime because of Nasser’s refusal to follow the Muslim Brotherhood’s call to institute an ideologically committed Islamic state. At various times since the July Revolution in 1952, the Brotherhood has regularly been banned and its leaders killed and imprisoned by Egyptian authorities.
Since it was rechartered in 1982, the Muslim Brotherhood has spread its network across the Middle East, Europe, and even America. At home in Egypt, parliamentary elections in 2005 saw the Muslim Brotherhood winning 20 percent of the available legislative seats, comprising the largest opposition party block. Its Palestinian affiliate, known to the world as HAMAS, recently gained control of the Palestinian Authority after elections secured for them 74 of 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council. Its Syrian branch has historically been the largest organized group opposing the Assad regime, and the organization also has affiliates in Jordan, Sudan, and Iraq. In the US, the Muslim Brotherhood is primarily represented by the Muslim American Society (MAS).
Since its formation, the Muslim Brotherhood has advocated the use of terrorism as a means of advancing its agenda of global Islamic domination. But as the largest popular radical movement in the Islamic world, it has attracted many leading Islamist intellectuals. Included among this group of Muslim Brotherhood intellectuals is Youssef Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born, Qatar-based Islamist cleric.
As one of the leading Muslim Brotherhood spiritual figures and radical Islamic preachers (who has his own weekly program on Al-Jazeera), Qaradawi has been one of the leading apologists of suicide bombings in Israel and terrorism against Western interests in the Middle East. Both Sylvain Besson and Scott Burgess provide extensive comparisons between Qaradawi’s publication, Priorities of the Islamic Movement in the Coming Phase, published in 1990, and The Project, which predates Qaradawi’s Priorities by eight years. They note the striking similarities in the language used and the plans and methods both documents advocate. It is speculated that The Project was either used by Qaradawi as a template for his own work, or that he had a hand in its drafting in 1982. Perhaps coincidentally, Qaradawi was the fourth largest shareholder in the Al-Taqwa Bank of Lugano, the director of which, Youssef Nada, was the individual in whose possession The Project was found. Since 1999, Qaradawi has been banned from entering the US as a result of his connections to terrorist organizations and his outspoken advocacy of terrorism.
For those who have read The Project, what is most troubling is not that Islamists have developed a plan for global dominance; it has been assumed by experts that Islamist organizations and terrorist groups have been operating off an agreed-upon set of general principles, networks and methodology. What is startling is how effectively the Islamist plan for conquest outlined in The Project has been implemented by Muslims in the West for more than two decades. Equally troubling is the ideology that lies behind the plan: inciting hatred and violence against Jewish populations around the world; the deliberate co-opting and subversion of Western public and private institutions; its recommendation of a policy of deliberate escalating confrontation by Muslims living in the West against their neighbors and fellow-citizens; the acceptance of terrorism as a legitimate option for achieving their ends and the inevitable reality of jihad against non-Muslims; and its ultimate goal of forcibly instituting the Islamic rule of the caliphate by shari’a in the West, and eventually the whole world.
If the experience over the past quarter of a century seen in Europe and the US is any indication, the “Islamic researchers” who drafted The Project more than two decades ago must be pleased to see their long-term plan to conquer the West and to see the Green flag of Islam raised over its citizens realized so rapidly, efficiently and completely.
If Islamists are equally successful in the years to come, Westerners ought to enjoy their personal and political freedoms while they last.
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(19 total) Post a Commentgood article, johnny, this is precisely the way the *Ikhwan al muslimeen act. Al qaeda and the hamas are branchs of the brotherhood too.U should read a bit more about it and over the founder of it , Hassan al bana and his grandson Tariq Ramadan , the last one is very controversial and scary one , denye to use the strategy of the Ikhwan in Europe .
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 10:07am (CEST) Remove Comment
Thanks Ahoovati,
I must be getting close to the truth because I'm starting to get hate mail because of this and my previous blog entry.
The majority of people in the west have no idea what is going on.
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 01:59am (PDT) Remove Comment
great blog john,a few weeks ago i read an article here in the uk,cant recall which newspaper though,well,in the article Colonel Gadaffi said that there was no need for young muslims in europe to bomb anyone,or to start new campaigns.he said that in 50 years europe will be "islamified" anyway,and we will all be living under sharia law. well heres one SIKH who wont be.neither will my family. i said to my friend,come to Punjab with me,lock stock and barrel,coz Indian Punjab is the only place that they wont be in charge of! a joke of course,but truth inside it.so come to my pind john,we'll look after ya!
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 10:47am (BST) Remove Comment
They're using the trojan horse of immigration and the west's suicidal penchant for political correctness to beat down any resistance to islamify us.
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 10:30am (PDT) Remove Comment
I found an article in English about an investigation made by the french journalist Caroline Fourest about this grandson of Hassan al bana, Tariq Ramadan .He is the leading spokesman for Muslims in Europe , I blog it.Take a look !
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 10:27pm (CEST) Remove Comment
Hi Bouncy,
I have seriously considered this before. Were I single I would have left the US in 2002 if not before.
I do worry about the Punjab however. There are many Pakistani Muslims who believe India should be forcibly reverted to Islam and the Punjab would be the logical first step in such a war. Of course, you folks are very tough so maybe they'd fail ;-)
Considering how readily the Brits for the most part have accepted the loss of all public privacy rights I don't think the Ummah will have much of a fight there. I don't see why it would take them 50 years unless their concerned about US intervention. I think they could take over the UK in 10 or 20 years easy, probably in 5. It would take a bit longer to get the US entire, but within a hundred years? Piece of cake. If they watch the movie Red Dawn they can have a completely workable strategy for the Western US.
Peace
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 02:50pm (PDT) Remove Comment
NY George,
Maybe.
I think the NWO rulers want to divide the planet up into seven union. The NAU (North American Union) is Canadian the US and Mexico and I think it will extend down to Panama before its done. They don't want our Southern border secure. They want the west to become as culturally and ethnically Latino as possible so the transition to the NAU will go as smoothly as possible. That's the only logic I can see on this issue.
Political correctness is a huge problem.
Shalom
Saturday August 4, 2007 - 02:57pm (PDT) Remove Comment
Brother -
While I may appreciate your devotion . . .
I am simply NOT in agreement with your priorities as far as who ACTUALLY poses a REAL threat in the good ole’ U.S. of A . . .
For example -
I think you should take a look at the religious fundamentalists in our OWN borders who have hatched a new plan - One of having as MANY children as possible and home-schooling them (among other “protections”), so they will never be “indoctrinated into” or even be EXPOSED to the belief system of “others” (OH! That includes Jews, homosexuals, and just about ANY ONE who is not white and Protestant, and a “non-breeding” female”), in order to “FINALLY” bring to fruition the Aryan “dream”. This is a VERY REAL threat - And IN OUR BORDERS already. It is not some extremist group from afar with which the average American cannot relate - It is HERE and NOW and it is something that citizens of this country will SEIZE ONTO in light of this sort of “information” that instills fear and hatred and keeps our concentration AWAY from our OWN problems and has them focused ELSEWHERE. Meanwhile - they grow by the day in numbers. Happy that the “public” is distracted by crazed publications of “imagined atrocities”!!! In an effort to “protect ourselves” from this impending doom . . . we are CREATING a monster within. And when they come for YOU and for ME what will we say??? That we were so damn busy tending to other’s gardens that we forgot to weed our own??? Or will we FINALLY turn that high-powered perception upon ourselves - before it is too late . . . before we let FEAR WIN??
We are becoming the enemy . . . .
In the end we will destroy everything . . . and in the name of what???
Something that you stand for??? Something that I stand for???
The “terrorists” will win - Because they created an environment of fear of “other” - when really, we needed to be looking at oursleves.
PLEASE!!! Do NOT be a machine that feeds fear into people’s hearts and souls. Stand up! State what is right and true, and here and now, and propose a solution. NOT to things that we have no control over . . . But to our OWN backyard!!!!
Because the enemy is lurking within . . .
Salam . . . .
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 03:49am (EDT) Remove Comment
OH!!!
And BTW!!!
YIPEE!!!! Close for Ramadan!!!
And close for MY sacred days as well!!!
I have to BEG to get the days “off” that I consider sacred -
So -
YES!!!
If you have a sacred day - You should be allotted that time “off” from work/school/etc.
Be it Ramadan - The Winter Solstice, Diwali, or Cinco De Mayo . . .
Or ban ALL holidays as days “off” . . .
When is the last time you were able to fully celebrate Hanukkah???
Did you NOT feel that it was you RIGHT to have this time allotted in the same manner that all the Judeo-Christian holidays are commemorated?
If not - WHY not???
Shalom & Ahavah
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 03:55am (EDT) Remove Comment
I agree with u all days and every moment are sacred, and the enemy is lurking within. I m not living in the USA so I cannot judge clearly about the situation there. I m living in Europe and 80 % of the people are agnostics in the country I live.
*Live and let live !and I want to keep it that way.
Europe has just left its bloody history of religious wars ,Islamic conquista till the middel of France, spanish reconquista, Spanish incquistion, reforms , catholics vs protestants (in north Ireland the problem is not yet over , 100 years wars, etc.... the last burning of witches and heretics happened somewhere in the late 1600.
People had to fight and debate to instaure secular laws, means separating the church and state in the early 1900, It was a good step for our freedom and evolution as human.
When I see now that unintegrated muslims communities here in Europe are demanding their rights to be and impose their retarded religious laws on us,start to torch cities for certain silly cartoons or slaughter a filmmaker in Amsterdam because he has dared to question islamic sharias laws on woman . I m worried and scared !
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 11:21pm (CEST) Remove Comment
Yeah, rural Americans homeschooling their own kids because they don't like the public education system, that's the real threat. That's what brought down the Twin Towers. They'll be chopping heads off people on the stage of the Grand Ole Opry next.
Please.
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 05:55pm (PDT) Remove Comment
Hi Squeaky mi dear,
One of the things I love about you is that we share many views in common and where we differ we can discuss like friends. This is good.
When was the last Christians blew up a cafe? bombed an embassy or office building, highjacked planes etc.? I agree that Christian fundamentalism is dangerous (Blackwater for instance which I post on from time to time), but there is simply no comparison.
Islam believes birth control is a sin. Birth control is almost unheard in most "third world countries" including Mexico. Caucasians are losing our majority status in many cities and in states of California. Most white couples have 1 or 2 kids. I'm not clear how fundies doing what everyone else is doing is such a problem.
I'm not a white supremacist by any means but racial self destruction doesn't sound like a virtue to me! Why do we have to give our country away?
As for home schooling. We home schooled both of our boys for part of their time. If I had a child today there is no way I'd send her or him to a public school in the US! They are horrible places! What's wrong with giving one's child the best education you can?
The Aryan dream? LOL I'm sorry, I do respect your views, really, but the US will never be an Aryan country again. We are falling fast and whites will soon become the minority race here if we don't close the borders. I am concerned about the NWO (which is mainly white guys) but not about some Christians who want to protect their kids from crime, drugs, Atheistic brainwashing, conformity and consumerism! Also, most home schoolers make time for social gatherings etc. Statistically such lucky kids score higher on every test and category. Also, there are a LOT of alternative families that home school as well. Its not just for white fundy Christians by any means! Its for anyone who wants their kids to have a good education and be safe! I am a firm supporter of home schooling!
Consider this blog of mine: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wK0SX_k7dK5WgkkX01QOYwuwFxzFNQ--?cq=1&tag=blackwater
I am aware of this internal threat and I do discuss it. I also discuss the threat groups like the Muslim Brotherhood pose and to tell you the truth, I'd rather live under a forced Christian theocracy than under a Muslim one -- I don't want either, but have you been to Muslim country? There are good reasons they come here!
Sharing information is a good thing. This document is real. This threat is very real as I have been told by MANY Muslims back when I with them and since. Why does it upset you that I bring this topic up? Those Muslims who oppose global jihad, and there are many, should want this information out as well! Together we can all oppose fundamentalism of all kinds.
We have already fallen.
Unless the American people wake up fast and kick out the leadership of both parties we are doomed. And this is not going to happen.
My blog covers a wide variety of topics. I offer things that people can do to help: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wK0SX_k7dK5WgkkX01QOYwuwFxzFNQ--?cq=1&p=2716 for instance
Humor posts, religious studies: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wK0SX_k7dK5WgkkX01QOYwuwFxzFNQ--?cq=1&p=2868
My gita translation, my Sikh studies, Pagan studies etc.
And I also post on current events. Like this one.
I am certainly not a machine that feeds fear into people’s hearts and souls. I am a realist who shares information that some people find interesting. Are you suggesting I should have one of those blogs that posts nothing but, "OK like everyone take this really rad quizz about hotties?"
When one discusses controversial subjects much of the time one occasionally ruffles feathers.
There are plenty of enemies to go around. We will not succeed by pretending they don't exist.
I'm not Jewish so I don't celebrate Hanukkah. If I chose to celebrate every holiday that every religion I have ties with celebrates my work year would be like 10 days lol, In India practically every day is sacred to someone!
Peace
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 07:28pm (PDT) Remove Comment
Hi Ahoovati,
Thanks for your comments.
Religion plays a pivotal role in my life and I mourn the fact that despite neo-Christian lip service, the US is doubtless approaching the 80% Agnostic mark as well. The vast majority of Americans self-identify as Christian but comparatively few of them even know the basic beliefs let alone follow them.
I believe religion and spiritual faith can be a very positive thing. This includes Islam. The problem is that Muslims are not staying in Muslim countries. I don't mean that harshly, but when they come to West and demand that we embrace Sharia, repugnantly strict body shame etc. it IS a problem. If Arabians or Iranians want to live that way more power to them... but don't force it on us!
BUT
Things are seldom that simple anymore. The West, especially the US, is invading their countries, outsourcing our jobs there, propping us dictators, trying to infiltrate and sabotage Islamic culture with what they deem to be decadence and evil, overthrowing their countries, torturing their citizens, raping their children and women ....
Its hard to blame them for resisting!
If the Islamic Ummah doesn't do everything in its power to stop US cultural and political imperialism Islam will be destroyed just like Christianity has been (almost) and the Muslim countries will become just another unreligious hedonistic cookie cutter US satellite region.
Islam is fighting for its very existence against US and Western agression.
What's the answer?
That's the hard part.
At this point even if we could somehow stop demons like Bush and Hillary the Ummah is on the march. This is why I posted this entry. It is true. They are following a set and determined plan and we're doing nothing as a nation but making things worse.
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 07:51pm (PDT) Remove Comment
ROFLAO George!!!!!
Sunday August 5, 2007 - 07:52pm (PDT) Remove Comment
WHAT???
Fact: Catholics believe that birth control (abstinence abstaining) is a sin . . .
Fact: As an educator - I would choose home schooling for my children until around age 12 ~ at the LATEST ~ Then they MUST get out there and learn the lessons that cannot be taught from the confines of a limited community. Home schooling as a “security threat” was not the point - So although “humourous” NY Guy - It was TOTALLY off the mark of the message I was trying to convey!!!
I MUST say - I DID believe that you were of the Jewish faith (predominantly, at least). This is where most of your passion seems to reveal itself - Not to be confused with your immense knowledge of many religions. So I retract that Hanukkah reference - Although, I have a feeling that you (like myself) must be constantly setting up different altars and sacred spaces as the “religious calendar” unfolds.
This is ALL I am saying . . . We CANNOT let fear win . . .
When we let fear/anger/distrust in - we close off connections between people -
You and I have a blessed friendship for which I will always be thankful - Because we are able to keep the lines of communication open and alive with new thoughts and ideas . . . I KNOW that our debates are misinterpreted as arguments by those that don’t know us well . . . And that is OK. As long as WE know that we are BOTH seekers of a higher truth and justice.
I worked a lot tonight - And I will be back tomorrow with some new thoughts . . .
But know THIS!!
In the end - we should gather the family together and return to Spawn Ranch . . . We have learned from our mistakes - And I am CONFIDENT that we will do better this time around!!! Better to return to the ranch than to get the call from ‘Gitmo where I pre-arranged some rooms close together for all of us . . .. Meanwhile, we NEED to take a look at these “detention facilities” in the US and see if they offer the same group rate!!!
NOW!!!
Will you PLEASE some over to my space and participate in some “fun”. A tag game by me - I don’t CARE if you hate them, just do it for me. And a fun “Cookie Monster Contest” being hosted by a 360-comrade, Prius.
So - ease off the heavy political and spiritual commentary, and come play in our sandbox for a bit!!!!
Ever you sister - Always your comrade
~ BES
Monday August 6, 2007 - 01:59am (EDT) Remove Comment
OH!!! And, uhmmmmm, NY Guy . . . who said these folks were "rural"? Quick to jump to some assumptions - which I should point out are simply WRONG!
Salam!!!
Monday August 6, 2007 - 02:02am (EDT) Remove Comment
Hi Lori,
Fact: I never said Catholics didn't believe that too.
Fact: I thought NY Guy's comment was funny, nothing more. I knew you could take it, you're strong ;-)
Opinion: Sending one's kids to a public school in the US is a security risk to their mind's if not their bodies. The case can be made that sending a child to a US public school is child abuse. We have among the lowest ranked schools in the industrialized world and our kids are being brainwashed in ways I don't support.
I'd home school my kids through college if there was a way to do it and I had the expertise in their fields (which I don't)! Although, I don't really worry about them now. They are both in fairly good schools (UC Berkeley and a good community JR college for the other, he's finishing up his computer tech certs now).
I have been a member of a lot of religions, I've studied Qaballah etc. with rabbis, but I never converted into Judaism (which doesn't mean I haven't attended a few saders! I do believe I was Jewish in my last life however.
My primary religious orientation is Vaisnava acintya bheda bheda Hindu and Sikh, although I love philosophical Taoism and... hehe
I do have a kutir (a small building devoted to spiritual practice with a very eclectic alter on it) beside my house for puja, dhyana, etc.
I'm not completely sure why I have such a fascination with Judaism, other than a lifelong recurring dream I have of my last life when I was Jewish (http://allfaith.com/Mystory/dream.html).
I am convinced that this system is falling apart and that the Jews are vital to what's happening. I am also convinced that there is a determined move afoot to destroy Israel and begin a global holocaust. If and when that happens I don't want to be one of those who remained silent. The Jews are being utterly unfairly attacked on all fronts and I for one feel impelled to speak out about it.
You: "This is ALL I am saying . . . We CANNOT let fear win."
Neither can we naively go along with plans that will lead to our deaths. I have a lot of Muslim friends who are just as concerned about what's going on to their religion as I am. I know Christians were are very upset about Fred Phelps and Liberty University etc.
We can't allow fear to be the deciding factor, but we also can't afford to be deceived. Many people, myself included, are VERY unhappy about Bush! However this does not mean there isn't SOME truth in what he's saying. We ARE at war with radical elements within Islam and this needs to be acknowledged and wisely dealt with even as we try and maintain good relations with Muslims of good intentions... and there are many.
If I can get this damn watch working again (it hasn't worked right since the trial) I'll meet you at our old hang out at Spawn at say 13 O'clock next whatsday. Sound good?
Oh and BTW I was told by a blog friend who swears he knows what he's talking about that I am on the Do-Not Fly list, so we may have to hitch hike to Gitmo. SOunds like a song...
A lil' ditti for Lori:
Got my bags all packed
I'm ready fer sho
Next stop for this hounddog
Is gonna be Gitmo
Got my thumb stick'n out
I'll get a ride I know
Cause da man done tol me
I'm bound for Gitmo
They say Helter Skelter
Was just a dream we once had
But whether you're Lori or Squeaky
You sho nuff' is bad!
Somebody gonna read this
And call the Yahoo pigs
Askin' is we the real thangs
Or just sucking on some cigs?
Writ'n poetry this bad
You know I ain't Him
And I sho ain't no Tex
So you can just call me slim!
If'n ye don't look at my picture that is!
Assalamu alaikum
Monday August 6, 2007 - 12:00am (PDT) Remove Comment
Waalikum assalam . . .
And THAT is why I love you dearly and enjoy our lively debates!!!!!!
My love, as usual ~
Namaste -
Sqeaky
Monday August 6, 2007 - 04:26am (EDT) Remove Comment
Hehe
Monday August 6, 2007 - 06:24pm (PDT) Remove Comment
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